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Tottenham: 'Unacceptable' James Maddison tells fan to 'shut up' after being accused of 'taking the p*ss'

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James Maddison has told a fan to “shut up” after the Tottenham Hotspur and England midfielder was accused of “taking the p*ss”.

Maddison and his Tottenham teammates have been criticised for their performances in certain matches this season as Ange Postecoglou‘s side have insisted on taking two steps back after one step forward.

Last month, Tottenham’s emphatic 4-0 win against Man City at the Etihad was mooted as a turning point for the North London outfit, but they have reverted to type after this match.

Since this victory, Spurs have only won two of their last ten matches in all competitions. They are winless in three Premier League games and gave up their lead late on against Wolves in a 2-2 draw on Sunday.

Maddison has eight goals and five assists in his 26 appearances this season but he’s been given a rest in recent matches as he’s made cameo appearances off the bench against Nottingham Forest and Wolves.

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Tottenham’s poor form has made Postecoglou the favourite to be the next Premier League manager sacked. Despite this, Maddison and teammate Brennan Johnson dared to attend the World Darts Championship at Alexandra Palace a few hours after the draw to Wolves.

Naturally, this did not sit well with some empty-headed Spurs supporters who are against players having a social life amidst a poor run.

Commenting on Maddison’s Instagram post, a fan wrote: “You taking the p*ss? The form we’re in and you go to the darts? Unacceptable.”

To which, Maddison responded: “Shut up u wally [with laughing face emoji].”

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Speaking after the 2-2 draw against Wolves, Postecoglou suggested fatigue was a reason for the “disappointing outcome” for Spurs.

“It’s a disappointing outcome. Obviously we went a goal down but after that I felt we controlled the game. It wasn’t easy always to get openings but we did look pretty threatening every time we did get forward,” Postecoglou admitted.

“We scored a couple of goals, we obviously missed the penalty and then second half, I just thought we had some really big moments to kill the game off.

“They weren’t really creating much, I mean I think Fraser had one save to make with his feet, that was about it. You felt we kind of needed that third goal and obviously they score at the end and you’re kind of left with a disappointing outcome, but it’s not through the want of trying.

“It’s obvious, you know, the lads are fairly fatigued, especially in that front third, we’re not as sharp as we can be, which is understandable because we’re asking a lot of a sort of small core group of players and, as I said, it’s not for the want of trying and they’re trying to get the outcomes for us.”

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Tottenham: Postecoglou points to fatigue after Spurs throw away win vs Wolves

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Tottenham boss Ange Postecoglou was “disappointed” and partially blamed fatigue for Spurs throwing away a lead in the closing stages of their 2-2 draw against Wolves on Sunday.

That result means it is just three wins in 13 matches in all competitions for Tottenham with pressure building on Postecoglou as he refuses to change his style of play.

Hwang Hee-Chan opened the scoring for Wolves on Sunday before Rodrigo Bentancur and Brennan Johnson put Tottenham back in front before half-time.

But Jorgen Strand Larsen struck with three minutes left in the second half to give Wolves a point on the road as Tottenham’s poor run of form under Postecoglou continues.

Speaking on the result, Spurs boss Postecoglou told a post-match press conference: “It’s a disappointing outcome. Obviously we went a goal down but after that I felt we controlled the game. It wasn’t easy always to get openings but we did look pretty threatening every time we did get forward.

“We scored a couple of goals, we obviously missed the penalty and then second half, I just thought we had some really big moments to kill the game off.

“They weren’t really creating much, I mean I think Fraser had one save to make with his feet, that was about it. You felt we kind of needed that third goal and obviously they score at the end and you’re kind of left with a disappointing outcome, but it’s not through the want of trying.

“It’s obvious, you know, the lads are fairly fatigued, especially in that front third, we’re not as sharp as we can be, which is understandable because we’re asking a lot of a sort of small core group of players and, as I said, it’s not for the want of trying and they’re trying to get the outcomes for us.”

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On an injury to Destiny Udogie, Postecoglou added: “Yeah, I think it was a hamstring. Again like I said, we’ve been relying on a core group of players because we just haven’t had the ability to rotate so at some point it was going to catch up with us. Unfortunately it caught up with Destiny.”

When asked about Radu Dragusin playing, Postecoglou replied: “Well we had no choice, if Radu doesn’t play, I don’t know who plays. He wasn’t 100%, but he felt he could get through with his ankle and again, I think the players are all giving everything they can at the moment.

“It’s just unfortunately we can’t give them what they really need and that is some recovery and rest because we’ve got so many players out, but Radu wanted to play today and you know while he wasn’t 100%, we had no choice to put him out there.

“There’s no choice, but it’s not a risk. I mean it’s it’s a judgment call, you know. It’s not like it’s a muscle injury, it’s a knock on his ankle, but yeah, we’re making decisions. We’ve got no choice unless I throw another 18 or 17-year-old out there, well, that’s the only fit players we have at the moment.”

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Spurs outcast 'ostracised' by Postecoglou, Chelsea loanee among random post

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The packed schedule over the festive period calls for creative solutions, like calling on £30m Chelsea loanees or pretending Sergio Reguilon has a contract.

It feels like a uniquely Twixmas thing to make up the numbers with fringe squad players and the first games since Boxing Day have not disappointed so far. Here are the most random called up to feature having barely done so all season.

James Hill

Andoni Iraola suggested back in March that Hill would be “valuable” to Bournemouth, but only recently has it really been possible to properly measure his worth to the Cherries.

A £1m signing from Fleetwood in January 2022, versatile defender Hill had loans with Hearts and Blackburn before making his Premier League debut two years later. Since a chastening first top-flight start in a comprehensive win for Liverpool in the same month, only the latest of substitute cameos were made available for a player on the periphery.

But with Iraola’s squad stretched – their bench against Fulham contained the most Bournemouth names possible in Max Aarons, Will Dennis, Mark Travers, Archie Harris and Max Kinsey – the honour of replacing Adam Smith was bestowed upon 22-year-old Hill.

The opportunity was maximised with a delightful assist for Evanilson, although Antonee Robinson did do Antonee Robinson things down his flank for one of Fulham’s goals.

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Ben Winterburn

Another member of that brilliantly Bournemouth bench. The midfielder turned 20 in September, only made his first Premier League matchday squad on November 30 and spent last season in the sixth tier’s mid-table with Weymouth. His father might also be called Nigel. No idea.

Willy Boly

Not nearly as random a name but perhaps as unexpected an appearance. Boly started for Forest on the opening weekend played only two of their subsequent 17 Premier League games, both as a substitute in stoppage-time to shore up the defence in single-goal wins.

There was no realistic hope of Boly breaking the Milenkovic-Murillo partnership himself and even when the latter was withdrawn from the starting line-up against Everton with an injury in the warm-up, Ramon Sosa was promoted into the side instead.

Boly replaced the Paraguayan in the 69th minute, was immediately booked for time-wasting, helped consolidate a two-goal lead and increased his chances of being eligible for a Premier League winner’s medal by the end of the season in the process.

Ramon Sosa

“He has to work really hard to get in the team,” said Nuno Espirito Santo upon the £11m signing of an obviously talented but inexperienced winger. Sosa was given a start in the Carabao defeat to Newcastle but was otherwise a perennial Premier League substitute, making his first 11 appearances in the competition from the bench.

There is little doubt Sosa worked hard but his big break came with the injury to Murillo and Nuno’s pre-match switch in formation. The 25-year-old should have repaid that faith with a goal in the first half but contributed plenty to the Everton win.

Sergio Reguilon

Back in October, Ange Postecoglou explained that “we need 20 players for training” when Spurs supporters were stunned to spot Reguilon during a session before a Europa League game, a competition for which he is not eligible having not been named in their squad.

Before the turn of the year, the incredible Spurs injury epidemic of 2024 reached the point where Reguilon was forced to make his first appearance for Spurs in the Premier League since April 2022, facing Matt Doherty in a situation seemingly designed to give Antonio Conte as many anger-inducing flashbacks as that late Wolves goal.

James McAtee

There was not a great deal for Manchester City to cling to in their second win since October 26 but even just a decent cameo from McAtee showed the power of fresh ideas and relatively new faces when things have gone awfully stale.

McAtee’s first five Premier League appearances for Manchester City totalled 21 minutes; his sixth came to 24 and was genuinely crucial in finally putting Leicester down at the King Power.

It won’t have been enough to dissuade Pep Guardiola from pushing for the January recruitment drive he feels necessary to rescue this season, but McAtee cannot be accused of wasting his chance.

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Armando Broja

Dominic Calvert-Lewin has his critics but there can be fingers pointed at a one-striker system which succeeds in specifically stifling that one striker.

He has started 16 of a possible 18 Premier League games this season; Beto and Broja were given the nod in the others, a 4-0 defeat to Manchester United and 2-0 reverse against Nottingham Forest respectively, in which Calvert-Lewin was brought on in either the 67th or 68th minute.

There aren’t many tougher tasks than leading a solitary line against this Forest defence, not least as a 23-year-old who has suffered from a long-term injury and substantial recent upheaval at club level. Three off-target shots and three fouls almost certainly equal an imminent Calvert-Lewin recall.

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Tottenham 'make decision' on Postecoglou sack as 'crucial' condition gives ex

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Tottenham will reportedly not sack Ange Postecoglou while they are still in the Carabao Cup, with the semi-final against Liverpool crucial in deciding his future.

Postecoglou’s Spurs have been poor in 2024 after a terrific first six months under the former Celtic manager.

They are tenth in the calendar year Premier League table, winning 15, drawing six and losing 16 of their 36 matches. That is more defeats than West Ham, Nottingham Forest, Crystal Palace and Everton.

They have also conceded the joint-fifth-most goals in the top flight in 2024 (58) but have scored 71 times, which only five teams have bettered.

That perfectly sums up how Spurs perform under Postecoglou; it is completely chaotic with a huge emphasis on attacking, which does make for some absolute spectacles.

Spurs’ unorganised performances are frustrating a large portion of their fanbase, though, and there is pressure on Postecoglou to improve things defensively.

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There is sympathy in some quarters for the Australian, who has been without several key defenders this season, including his two best centre-backs Micky van de Ven and Cristian Romero.

Starting Radu Dragusin and Ben Davies in the heart of defence is far from ideal and with the latter also injured, Postecoglou has been forced to play teenage midfielder Archie Gray there.

Regardless of that, results, performances and consistency must improve and many feel Postecoglou is on borrowed time.

Spurs are still in the Carabao Cup after beating Manchester United in the quarter-final and ending the club’s 16-year wait for a trophy is Big Ange’s top priority and something the fans are desperate for.

Earlier this year, Postecoglou reminded fans that he often wins trophies in his second season at clubs but has the best team in Europe standing in his way. Not ideal, is it? He’s probably getting sacked, isn’t he?

Tottenham-Liverpool semi-final ‘crucial’ in deciding Postecoglou’s fate

Spurs’ Carabao Cup semi-final against Liverpool could prove crucial in deciding Postecoglou’s future in north London, with a report from the Daily Mail claiming he ‘maintains the backing of the board but the League Cup semi is emerging as key to his prospects’.

Indeed, the club’s hierarchy have ‘made a decision on Postecoglou’ and the Australian ‘remains safe for now, though there is an acknowledgment that results need to improve’.

The cup semi and their involvement in the Europa League are ‘crucial’ for Ange, with winning a trophy ‘viewed as a major success’.

A combination of losing in the Carabao and continuing to stutter in the Premier League could be fatal, the report adds.

Spurs are currently in a playoff spot in the Europa League and have Hoffenheim and IF Elfsborg to face before the conclusion of the league phase.

The Carabao Cup semis will be played at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium on January 8 and Anfield February 6.

Postecoglou’s honours as a manager include two Scottish Premierships, two Scottish League Cups, one Scottish Cup with Celtic, a J-League title with Yokohama Marinos in Japan, two A-League titles with Brisbane Roar, seven titles at Australian international youth level, three honours as South Melbourne boss, and the 2015 AFC Asian Cup with Australia.

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Postecoglou sack? Tottenham told to 'nick' PL manager with 'stubborn' Ange facing axe on one condition

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Tottenham Hotspur have been urged to “nick” a manager from one of their Premier League rivals as they have become “painful” to watch under Ange Postecoglou.

Ahead of the 2023/24 campaign, Spurs appointed former Celtic boss Postecoglou, who was initially lauded for successfully overhauling their style of play to turn them into one of the Premier League’s most entertaining teams.

Under Postecoglou, Tottenham challenged for the Champions League places last season, though they narrowly missed out to Aston Villa.

Heading into this campaign, Postecoglou was tasked with taking Spurs to another level, but they have been infuriatingly inconsistent as they sit eleventh in the Premier League after 18 matches.

The North London outfit have lost four of their last five Premier League games and have already been beaten nine times. This run of form has seen Postecoglou become the favourite to be the next manager sacked.

On Boxing Day, Spurs were beaten 1-0 at Nottingham Forest. Following this match, former Tottenham midfielder Jamie O’Hara says they have “fallen apart” and “could drop big time” in the coming weeks.

“We’ve actually fallen apart,” O’Hara said on talkSPORT.

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“Everyone is saying we’ve got injuries, and I get that, but if you look at our team today it’s not an injury-hit team. That’s not far off our best, apart from our centre-backs in Romero and Van de Ven.”

“I get we’ve had problems but you can’t keep losing games. It’s happening every week. We’ve lost nine games in the Premier League this season. Only Southampton, Leicester and Wolves have lost more than us. It’s nine games! It’s a broken record.

“We could drop big time. We’ve been having an absolute stinker. Can Ange last?”

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O’Hara has also encouraged his former side to steal Fulham manager Marco Silva as Postecoglou is “going to get the sack” if he “carried on being stubborn”.

“Watching Tottenham is painful. Every time we go forward we look exciting, but our defending is abysmal. Full-backs getting caught out of possession high up the pitch,” O’Hara continued.

“Carry on being stubborn and you’re going to get the sack, I don’t care how far you go. You can’t be 11th in the table.”

He added: “I’m starting to come around to the fact that we should nick Fulham’s manager Marco Silva. He’s good. They are organised, have a structure. They haven’t got world beaters, but they have good players.

“All I’m saying is I don’t know if Big Ange can carry on. You can’t lose nine out of 18 games and be the Tottenham manager and get away with it. It can’t continue.”

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Man Utd, Man City and Spurs locked in three

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A typically brilliant day of Boxing Day action saw Liverpool take a decisive step towards the Premier League title, but the banter club title remains locked in a magnificent three-way battle between the Manchester clubs and Spurs from which it remains impossible to pick a winner. Or loser.

Winners

Liverpool

They’re going to win it, and they clearly absolutely know they’re going to win it. A home victory over Leicester isn’t particularly compelling evidence of anything much on its own, but the serenity is. Even after going a goal down early on there seemed little genuine reason to suppose something out of the ordinary might occur, that Liverpool might not solve this little puzzle they’d set themselves.

Those mildly irritating draws against Newcastle and Fulham have been forgotten in a flurry of goals this week, with Mo Salah’s late points-sealer making Liverpool the first team to reach 40 this season.

But the best result of the day for Liverpool was perhaps not even their own, but Chelsea’s late and unexpected collapse at home against Fulham. It was a reminder that Enzo Maresca’s side are – entirely understandably – not yet truly ready for a title challenge.

Liverpool’s main and possibly only rivals for the title are currently, therefore, to be found in fourth place and nine points off the pace.

Having started the season as a forgotten third wheel expected to need time to adjust post-Klopp, they will end the first half of the season as overwhelming favourites for their second Premier League title. It’s not been a bad few months.

Mo Salah

And while the reasons for Liverpool’s excellence are many and varied and layered, there’s no point being too clever about identifying the main one.

Whatever Mo Salah’s future may hold, his present involves being better than he has ever been for Liverpool, which is really quite startlingly good indeed.

His late goal against Leicester takes him three clear in the race for the Golden Boot with a game in hand, while across just his last 10 Premier League games he’s contributed 12 goals and seven assists. Or, you know, a pretty solid whole season’s contribution for a normal wide forward. Salah, as absolutely nobody needs telling, is not a normal wide forward.

Nottingham Forest

Just a thrillingly wonderful time to be alive. Fears that the utter mortifying embarrassment of contriving to lose a game of association football against Manchester City might derail their hitherto excellent season have proved unfounded, with the response being a four-match winning run in which they’ve seen off Manchester United, Aston Villa and Tottenham while perhaps genuinely most impressively of all also coming away from Brentford with all three points, an achievement football scientists had long considered impossible.

Nobody should get over-excited by a win against silly old Spurs, of course, and nor should there be undue praise for adopting the very obvious tactics that make it so very easy to first stifle and then punish this profoundly idiotic football team. But few have done it so efficiently and unfussily as Forest, who happily allowed Spurs to have two-thirds of the possession while backing themselves to ensure that got the visitors precisely nowhere while also knowing they would never be more than a few seconds and a few crisp passes away from that soft, soft underbelly.

The goal that would turn out to be Forest’s winner was the perfect microcosm of a flawlessly executed 90-minute plan.

They will surely fall back below Arsenal tonight, but even that is a sentence that feels absurd to write. It is very real, though, as is the five-point cushion Forest now enjoy over fifth place.

Forest could also now lose all 20 remaining games this season and very probably not get relegated. We don’t think they will or should do that, but it’s still nice to be that certain of avoiding relegation with half a season still to play, and also it would be funny if they did now go ‘Well that’s our season’s goal achieved’ and just down tools for the next six months.

Fulham

A huge bonus win at a ground where Fulham rarely thrive sees them eighth in the table and very much above the cut line just beginning to develop among all that mid-table shod.

After the disappointment of the goalless draw with Southampton, here was a win to have Fulham once again looking up and dreaming big. There is already a very strong likelihood that fifth place will deliver a Champions League place this season and the delicious prospect of a mass scramble to claim it.

Fulham have currently positioned themselves in that scramble, which is more than can be said for Tottenham or Manchester United.

Wolves

Back-to-back wins under Vitor Pereira to lift themselves out of the relegation zone for the first time this season. And also for the first time this season just generally having the look and feel of a team that is going to be okay. It’s not just that the table now shows them to be better than Leicester as well as Ipswich and Southampton, it’s that you know the truth of it deep in your bones.

Manchester United were yet again willing participants in their own downfall, of course, but few could argue Wolves were not deserving of the three points that eventually came their way after Bruno Fernandes’ red card. They were the better team against 11 and compellingly so against 10.

And talking of taking your chance to inflict further misery on a very silly Big Six club in the midst of a full-blown panic attack, Wolves’ next task is a trip to Spurs to take on their literally, metaphorically and philosophically non-existent defence.

Vitor Pereira

Easy game, this Premier League management lark. Don’t know why others continue to shamble around making it look so difficult, to be honest.

Matheus Cunha

Legitimate questions remain around the vaguely farcical way he remains available for some really quite significant matches when a ban for the Ipswich shenanigans is so obviously in the offing, but here is a man making the best of the situation as it appears before him.

With Arsenal’s latest INJURY CRISIS seeing not just one but a genuinely unthinkable two players out for a little while, they are already casting eyes in Cunha’s direction and he did nothing to take himself out of the shop window with his all-round starring display against United.

Do still wonder about the long-term repercussions for his future from that ridiculous reaction at Ipswich, though.

West Ham

Not the most convincing of wins against Southampton, but a powerfully useful one. For a while now, West Ham have been an interesting team, one whose place was not yet certain. Were they in the relegation picture, or were they just another one of those teams in the vast mid-table morass between about fifth and 14th? Two wins and two draws in the last four appear to have answered the question decisively for a side that now sits three points closer to the top six than they do the bottom three.

Newcastle

Have spent large parts of this season looking wildly unconvincing and there’s little doubt they are the grateful beneficiaries of three Big Six teams descending into genuine farce, but clear signs now that Newcastle have emerged from their stumbles to place themselves perfectly to cash in on all the nonsense going off elsewhere.

Okay, fine, they like the rest of us didn’t quite account for Nottingham Forest doing what they’re doing but a serene victory over fellow contenders Aston Villa makes it three wins from three games with 11 goals scored and none conceded to leave them in prime position for at least fifth and the already seemingly near-certain Champions League place that will bring this season.

And their current form means they can approach the next week with its games against Man United and Spurs as one of huge potential opportunity to consolidate that status rather than one that jeopardises it.

Alexander Isak

A tricky start to the season riddled with doubts over form and fitness has been swept away by a run of 10 goals in 10 games that have lifted him to fourth on the Premier League goalscoring chart. Some effort for a player who didn’t score his second goal of the season until the final weekend of October.

Sean Dyche

Absolutely in his element, isn’t he? Arsenal, Chelsea and now Man City all brought to heel and unable to find a compelling answer to the Dycheball puzzle.

We must admit we wondered what the actual point of having Sean Dyche as your manager was if you’re just going to concede goals all the time as Everton did so dreadfully at the start of the season.

But a side that conceded 13 goals in its first four games has shipped only a further nine in the subsequent 13, four of which came so bafflingly at Old Trafford.

Sure, nobody in the entire division has scored fewer goals than Everton and all this effort has still only dragged them three points clear of the bottom three, but say what you like about the tenets of Dycheball at least it’s an ethos.

Losers

Manchester United

It’s been a mess of a year on and off the field for Manchester United and all the indications are that it may yet get worse before it gets better in 2025.

Off the pitch, we can only hope that Jim Ratcliffe was visited by three spirits on Christmas Eve. Otherwise it seems safe to assume his reign of cartoonishly petty terror will continue unabated, with nasty pointless little swipes in every direction that always, always, always by some unfortunate coincidence target the little guy.

We do understand why at the time United fans were so keen to welcome Ratcliffe as neither Glazer nor Qatari but the idea of some benevolent billionaire was always far-fetched. Although we must surely all admit none of us predicted he would be quite such a cliched megarich super-villain.

On the field, it’s been one chaotic disaster after another. Even the FA Cup win is tainted by the long-term problems it’s caused by earning Erik Ten Hag an unjustified and unjustifiable stay of execution that was a) never going to last long and b) always likely to f*** things right up.

And now we are where we are. United have brought in one of the best young coaches in Europe but in the worst possible circumstances. Everyone knew Ruben Amorim was a coach who likes to do things a certain way. Everyone knew United didn’t possess a squad anywhere close to being capable of doing things that way. To bring him in at the busiest time of the season was a dereliction of duty from the club’s new and already fracturing brains trust.

Ruben Amorim

We like him a lot and do think he can make this work if given the time and backing required. But it’s increasingly clear that it’s going to be a lot of time and a lot of backing. We’re really not at all sure any longer that United will be able to ride out the storm to get the potential benefits. They’ve f***ed this so badly.

But while Amorim has been dealt a bad hand he hasn’t played it flawlessly either. He’s been impressive with his handling and understanding of the scale of the job in his off-field duties; he doesn’t – like so many United managers before him – appear simply too small for so large a job. That gives hope for the future if meaning little in the present.

He knew what he’d inherited and had this squad’s number from the start – that ‘storm coming’ line after a superficially impressive win over Everton was not some vague expectation-checking cliché but a precise prediction based on known and understood factors. Nevertheless, one does wonder whether an absolute rigid insistence on cramming assorted sh*tty square pegs into his predetermined round holes isn’t making things even worse at a time when things are already bad.

They are miserably underpowered as an attacking force; all 13 of the teams above them and two of the five below have scored more goals than United this season, and that’s a problem when you also have a defence that can’t be relied upon to avoid conceding two direct corners in the space of a week.

Bruno Fernandes

Man United’s captain and talisman continues to define their 2024 in almost absurdly perfect fashion. Talented but vulnerable, completely unsure of himself in the new system and so desperate to show how much he cares that he frequently makes a bad situation worse.

His first yellow card was soft, but his second – so early in the second half too – was brainless. Two red cards in two painfully damaging defeats before the season is halfway done isn’t ideal captaincy, it has to be said.

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Chelsea

No need to panic, no need to go overboard. Missteps in the Enzo Maresca era have been few and far between. But failing to secure even a point at home to Fulham having led with 81 minutes on the clock is a major stumble at a wholly inopportune time.

A victory that appeared for so long to be on the cards would have consolidated second place and put pressure on leaders Liverpool in the late game. As it is, Chelsea may have proven Maresca right about where they fit into a title race (i.e. not at all).

It’s not all bad, of course. Chelsea’s own competence and the nonsense going off elsewhere means they still find themselves well placed in the scrap for third place with Nottingham Forest that we all definitely expected at the start of the season.

Enzo Maresca

Don’t want to go in two-footed here on a manager who has exceeded all reasonable expectations at a club bedevilled by nonsense in recent years, but what doubts there have been about him have centred on the management of his defenders’ workload, and the game management across the last two games has left much to be desired.

Maresca has been adamant all along that his team and squad is not yet ready for a title challenge, and that’s fair enough. But maybe there was a bit of self-reflection in that assessment too.

Tottenham

Yet another defeat and a timely, perhaps vividly necessary reminder that not all their losses are the carefree wild ‘entertaining’ ‘fun’ of the Liverpool or Chelsea or Brighton games.

Throw this miserable effort into a big bowl of sh*t alongside the performances in defeat against Ipswich and Palace and Newcastle and Bournemouth and Arsenal, as well as in the draws against Leicester and Fulham.

That adds up to nine league defeats already – only three teams have suffered more this season – and the vast majority of them not some heroic ‘glory, glory’ nonsense but just a team that is a bit crap.

The mitigation that undoubtedly exists in their defensive injury crisis is more than outweighed by the sheer paucity of their full-strength attacking endeavours here. And again, it’s no one-off.

There are several myths and delusions around this Spurs side that need nipping in the bud, and the idea that even in defeat they are always thrillingly entertaining is right at the top of the pile.

However brilliant their very best football is – and it is absolutely brilliant – that really is not their default level. And nor even is thrillingly excitingly vulnerable. Their default, standard level of performance based on straightforward frequency of occurrence is Quite Boringly Drearily Sh*t. For a team that so proudly sets out to win every game, they don’t half lose an awful lot of them.

Ange Postecoglou

He’s finished. Firmly in when-not-if territory now, and it would be a major surprise if he sees out the season. This was the worst kind of defeat for him to suffer against the worst kind of opponent on the back of the wild win over Man United and the ludicrous thrashing from Liverpool.

This was both a stark reminder of just how drab and lifeless so many of Postecoglou’s many, many, many Spurs losses have been, while also the most pointed of all possible rejoinders to the increasingly unhinged idea put forward by fans and rivals alike that Postecoglou cannot be expected to deliver any more than mid-table irrelevance at a club that for all its penchant for nonsense has finished outside the top six only twice in the last 15 years. Spurs are Spurs and the club is run by fools appeared to be the main reasons Ange should be spared any blame.

This is now guaranteed to be Tottenham’s worst first half of a Premier League season since 2008/09 with its infamous two-points-from-eight-games start and subsequent Harry Redknapp rescue job.

It was always ridiculous to let the manager off so easily for a run of form worse than those that saw any of his predecessors up to and including Mauricio Pochettino sacked, but even more so when you lose meekly at Evangelos Marinakis-owned Nottingham Forest, for whom victory lifts them above Arsenal into third. Is it still a resigned shrug of the shoulders and ‘Can’t expect any better than this while Daniel Levy remains?’ Will it take Spurs being dragged into an actual relegation fight for some to wake from their deluded slumber?

Tottenham’s defence against Wolves

Radu Dragusin limped off injured and Djed Spence got himself sent off late on to leave Spurs’ already threadbare defence looking actually non-existent for the weekend’s clash with an improving Wolves side who beat them home and away last season.

That pair join Guglielmo Vicario, Cristian Romero, Micky van de Ven, Ben Davies on the list of confirmed absentees, while Destiny Udogie continues to struggle with both form and fitness.

Quite who joins the suddenly untouchable and vital Archie Gray in that Tottenham defence on Sunday is now a complete mystery.

Manchester City

Just not even remotely a surprise now to see Manchester City fail to beat Everton at home, and the fact Sean Dyche’s side are in the middle of one of those gloriously stubborn spells they enjoy from time to time in which they simply refuse to lose to good teams having spent much of the season losing spectacularly to bad ones like Spurs or Man United provides only the flimsiest of silver linings.

The stark overall picture is now one win from the last 13 games for a manager and group of players who genuinely appear to have no explanation for what’s happening or any answers for how to solve it.

Pep Guardiola

This is a run that would have seen any other Premier League manager sacked, make no mistake about that. Mikel Arteta could not have survived a drop-off this bad. Everything Guardiola’s achieved at City understandably makes things different, as does that increasingly awkward and desperate-looking – from club and manager – new contract he recently signed.

But there’s a reason why a run this bad with no obvious solution at hand would in almost all other imaginable scenarios lead to the manager being replaced. City won’t sack Guardiola and fair enough, but we surely can’t be far from the point where he decides he’s just lost the strength and stomach for the fight. Does he really have the energy for the rebuild City need in both the immediate short-term and more importantly over the next couple of years?

Guardiola’s preference for a small squad is a big factor in what’s been allowed to happen to a group that leans too heavily on too few old warhorses who are no longer able to do what they once did. For multiple reasons both on-pitch and off, change is coming one way or another for City. And never has it looked more likely that this will also involve a new manager.

He’s been absurdly sensational for an absurdly long time, but he and his ageing team look totally, utterly done.

Erling Haaland

After 10 goals in his first five Premier League games of the season it’s now three in the subsequent 13 and a missed penalty for a player struggling desperately to get himself involved at all now City’s all-round play has so thoroughly collapsed.

Even in his goal-laden first season the lack of touches Haaland had in general play became a running joke, with one hat-trick coming from a total of 16 touches in the match seeing Haaland seemingly perfect the role of goalscorer, distilling the job to its very purest form.

That was fine when City were playing well and the chances were coming. In a struggling team, Haaland becomes the ultimate luxury passenger.

Early in City’s current run of woe, Haaland was at least still getting shots away. They weren’t going in, but they still happened. He had seven attempts on goal in the defeats against Brighton and Spurs, but since then hasn’t managed more than three shots in any of his last six Premier League games.

With his wider contribution as negligible as ever – his combined total of passes across those six games is 84, 33 fewer than Mateo Kovacic made against Everton alone – you do start to wonder at the wisdom of City deciding they didn’t need any competition or back-up at all for the big man.

Aston Villa

Sort of sums up Villa’s season in many ways that their own Boxing Day struggle was masked by the graver calamities befalling the more conspicuously ridiculous Spurs and Manchester United.

But it’s been a largely unconvincing league season when compared to last year’s ruthlessly efficient one. The fixture list has been kind to Villa recently which has helped them along with straightforward wins over the away version of Brentford as well as the contrasting but enormous struggles going off at Southampton and Man City, but the brutal truth is that Villa have now lost to two direct rivals in the Champions League chase in the space of 12 days.

It may well be that fifth is enough for Champions League qualification this season, and Villa may now have condemned themselves to a place in the large group targeting such a finish; by this evening it’s highly likely the top four will be six points away.

Leicester

We’re really not at all convinced Ruud van Nistelrooy was the right answer for a relegation scrap, and while defeat at Liverpool itself is of no great concern in isolation the fact it represents three consecutive compelling defeats at a time Wolves, Palace and Everton all appear to be getting their acts together to a greater or lesser degree is a concern.

Leicester have suffered a six-point swing compared to Wolves over the last two games to drop into a bottom three that starts to have a compelling look to it, containing as it now does all three of last year’s promoted clubs.

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Spurs are ‘most entertaining team in the Premier League’ under Ange Postecoglou; why sack him?

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Tottenham are the most entertaining team in the league and shouldn’t sack Ange Postecoglou. Yep, your stocking includes a Christmas Day Mailbox.

Send your thoughts to theeditor@football365.com and have a lovely day.

Big Ange In

My dad and I are both United fans. We have nothing to do with Manchester, but it’s biological – we got from my Grandad. We used to travel to every game from down South until grandad got too old and the tickets and travel got too expensive. We’re die hard reds.

But dad and I always agreed that if we were going to support a team closer to home then that team would probably be Spurs. These reason for this is that both of us experienced exciting Spurs sides when we were growing up and always saw them as a club that would entertain. Who else could attract talent such as Gary Lineker, Gazza, Teddy Sheringham and Klinsmann?

Despite their dalliances with some really dour managers – Conte, Nuno, Jose and George Graham – they’ve generally had managers with an attacking philosophy. They’ve been entertaining, if a little… well, Spursy.

I think Big Ange has turned them into the most entertaining team in the league. Their last two games have yielded 16 goals for Christ’s sake! For me they’re going about things the right way and I’d love to see what Big Ange has achieved with a few more windows. If Spurs won a trophy this season it would an incredible achievement.

That said Spurs are only 1 point above United so they really do need to stop being quite so daft.

But pretty much what Matt said.

Although he wanted to see Fergie’s pre United credentials. Pretty well established those mate – was the first manager to win the Scottish first division with a non-Old Firm side in 15 years and is still the last to do so (Dundee United snuck in between Aberdeen’s three titles though). Also won a European trophy with a Scottish side, a feat that had only been done by Celtic and Rangers before and hasn’t been equalled since. Fergie was mint.

Merry Christmas all!

Ashmundo

Shocking that, lad

One of the ignorant comments I’ve ever read in the mailbox. “I’d like to see Ferguson and wenger’s pre EPL records”

On Wenger he won the league and cup with Monaco in France which is arguably more impressive and prestigious than anything ange has won. Also won a couple of cups in Japan

But Ferguson ?? Dearie me Matt. Sit down son. It’s Fergies pre United achievements that clinch him as the GOAT. He’s the last manager outside Celtic and rangers to win the Spl. That’s over FORTY years of a record. It’s pretty astounding

He also won two European trophies with them and holds the record of being the last manager to beat Real Madrid in a European cup final. Again a record that is over forty years old.

He did this at the Aberdeen.

You’ve just had a mare Matt

Anon

Many festive thoughts

Hi Mailboxers,

It’s that time of year where we do a bit of reflecting on things…. so some festive thoughts for you all!

A scenario where Pep has permanently lost his mojo, where the charges go hard against them, where relegation is a possibility, where existing players choose to leave or need to be sold, where the City brand becomes a bit more toxic and it becomes harder to attract top talent…. none of that seems massively improbable to me? Leeds have never reached the same heights again following the Ridsdale era – are the City old-timers going to get their club back?

When Ronaldo was last at United, one issue seemed to be that while he was scoring goals, he was doing little else and so the team overall suffered. Cristiano at least had the valid defence of age – what’s Haaland’s excuse?

I’m not enjoying the Ange pile-on tbh. We complain about Pulis, Dyche or even Moyes despite the latter’s league position and silverware achieved. I also follow F1 and did Formula Vee many moons ago. There’s a thing about rookie drivers that if you have one driver who sticks it in a wall now and again and another who is pretty quick and who keeps it between the ditches 100% of the time – well you might prefer the first driver on the basis that you can cut out a driver’s mistakes but you can’t make him quicker.

Ange has virtually no defence at the moment but at the other end of the pitch, they are top scorers(?). We always hear that sticking the ball in the net is the hardest part of football. Well Ange has built a team which is good at that. Arsenal and Utd fans can surely appreciate. So give him a chance to have his first choice defence back or add to it and judge him then. Klopps’s team really kicked on when VVD and Alisson were added. So let’s cherish Ange a bit more even if it looks a bit 5-a-side at the moment.

Not overly loving the Rashford pile-on either. I think Micah made a valid point that Rashford seems to be a bit of a lightning rod for Utd’s woes. And I get that his body language looks bad. But I very much doubt he’s wanted it to end up this way either so let’s leave him be and just wish him well wherever he goes. He wasn’t there yesterday and he’s also not a roofer.

Ange has recently gotten frustrated with repeat questions from journos and the every single day in this mailbox I see fans asking better questions of their team, players and managers. Journos are really robbing a living if they are utterly unable to come up with an original interesting question for a manager. I always felt Klopp wasn’t worn out by actual coaching but by the utterly ridiculous levels of media commitments the top club managers have and having to answer the same dumbass question 50 different times.

The upside of thoughtful questions is that we get to see more about a manager. ETH was asked direct questions near the end of his term where he dismissed the question saying the journo must have been looking a different game. I think it highlighted that ETH no longer had answers. But keep asking the same questions and the manager can just bat them away, everyone gets bored and we learn nothing new. Do better. F365 – do you have press credentials? Can we send a mailboxer in to the pressers? We could send Barry Fox in to cheer up Ange at least?

Not surprised to see Chelsea performing so well as I thought they deserved more from the game when they played Liverpool early in the season. But I don’t think this is any kind of proof that the Boehly et alia’s approach is valid. I think the questions around that were more financial. As in would it all work out over an 8 year period and could they keep on the right side of PSR or would they need plenty more Conor Gallaghers or hotels to sell. Could be a City scenario where they win on the pitch but have challenges off it?

Is this season shaping up to the best in years? Villa resurgent, Bournemouth and Forest flying high, probably a 3-way battle between Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal for the title, Spurs being the great entertainers and maybe some green Utd shoots. Or at least an end to the stench of dEaTH.

Speaking of Utd, City were called the ‘noisy neighbours’ but surely Utd must be the noisiest club in the world. Take that however you want.

Finally, listening to Carra and Redknapp discussing Trent’s situation yesterday and I was 100% with Redknapp on this. So was surprised to jump on Twitter ( Elon can do one, using Jack’s name still ) and saw almost complete agreement with Carra on this.

So what we’re saying is Trent needs to make himself less financially attractive to suitors by signing a new contract so that Liverpool can get a fee for him which would also protect his legacy locally? Are people well?

I saw an interview with Trent some years back where he was trying to set up something within clubs whereby academy players who were dropped would be offered some alternative career path within the club. Because maybe you can’t make it as a player but you love sport so maybe sports science or physio or coaching would appeal. So Trent seemed to be pushing for clubs to give dropped players a pathway. And his thinking was while he had gone through the system and had made it, he was aware that he had sacrificed a huge amount to make it there. His personal life during this teenage years was absolutely impacted. But he made it so everyone thinks he’s lucky and it was all worthwhile.

But huge numbers don’t and the clubs just release them. So Trent seemed to be very aware that it’s a bit of a horrible system. “Give us huge personal commitment during your late childhood and teenage years for a decade and if you’re one of the lucky 1%, we’ll give you a well-paid job. Otherwise, ta-ra.”

For me, if Trent wants to see new places and experience other cultures and goes on an adventure with Real, good luck to him. We don’t “own” him and any lack of transfer fee is absolutely NOT his responsibility. And Carra saying on a worldwide broadcast that he will impact his legacy locally if he leaves on a free is just amplifying and legitimising trolls. And that’s irresponsible. And I think that’s where Redknapp was coming from. I 100% stand with Jamie R on this one.

Anyhoo, that’s enough for now. Sorry for the downer at the end. Many thanks to all the contributors who, generally speaking, add lots to my enjoyment of this wonderful sport.

Wishing you all the very best this Christmas whomever you support because as a mailboxer ( Garey I think? ) once said, “Rivals, not enemies.”

Nollaig Shona daoibh go léir,

Mark, LFC, An Mhí

Bitter? You better believe it!

Over the past few days I’ve seen both Michael Owen and Jamie’s Carragher & Redknapp discuss legacy at clubs, with Jack Grealish on the receiving end of some stick at Villa Park and a look into the potential future of Trent Alexander-Arnold.

Il start with Owen and his massively over the top reaction to the “nasty, jealous, spiteful, bitter people” who funnily enough weren’t best pleased when their best player decided he wanted to move on from the team he proclaimed to love. Whether it is for Free or £100 million it doesn’t really matter.

Now you can argue about whether this is the right or wrong thing for a player to do or not until the cows come home, and in all honesty it will solely depend on the individual. But what you cant expect is to have your cake and eat it. Being told that you’re dumped for an upgrade doesn’t make it OK or better. If anything it makes it worse! It’s saying I’m better than you.

Grealish left to win things and has a stack of medals to show for it. Good for him. Now some Villa fans may well be pleased for him. Fair enough. Most like my mate Mike are definitely not like, something about Judas etc. These are VILLA fans, not Grealish fans. You can’t expect is for The Villa to batter a City team including Grealish and for the Holte End not to absolutely rinse him. I mean have you ever met football fans?! You leave and you get both barrels. That’s the deal, particularly on a match day. He wont like it but that’s life.

Let’s be honest though. This isn’t about Grealish. This is about Owen and his inability to understand why he isn’t adored by….well…anyone. It’s just so transparent. He hates the fact he’s not adored and will never understand why. That he can’t understand it goes a long way to explaining why he isn’t and is in fact more likely viewed as a nasty, jealous, spiteful and bitter person!

I’ve waffled on longer than I intended to here (not uncommon lads) so Il keep it short with Alexander-Arnold. Carragher thinks if he wants to be remembered as an all-time Liverpool great and in line with Gerrard then he needs to stay. Correct. Does this mean he should stay? This 100% depends on him. If so, sign the thing and enjoy the Arne Slot inspired ride!

If he thinks the stars have aligned so it’s the perfect time to sign for Real Madrid and experience another country and play with your England bezzy Bellingham. Good luck to him. But for Redknapp or anyone else to argue Liverpool fans should be grateful and fawn over him, or anyone else is crackers. You enjoy the memories and then boo the living daylights out of them. That’s football.

Adam (Leeds)

On Johnny Nic

Missing the point by some margin there, old boy.

Nobody has, to my knowledge, said to Ange, change your methods entirely, we’re just saying that sometimes a whiff of pragmatism would go someway to making this whole thing much more tangibly successful. Something I, who pay £1100 for a season ticket (not too sure how much longer that will be sustainable) should have every right to suggest.

Also, Ange’s football is responsible for a raft of injuries….so he’s also playing fast and loose with players careers. Might seem dramatic but when VDV is told to play far sooner than he was ready to, only to re-injure himself and miss another six weeks, you have to wonder is the players career all that important to the coach.

P.S – was thinking the same of Saka and just saw his third hamstring injury of the season is the one which will see him miss a significant part of the season – totally avoidable.

Anon

READ: Ange Postecoglou urged to keep fighting against the low drone of mediocrity

…Gaurdiola apparently struggling to motivate his Manchester City players.

Why doesn’t he just give them a Pep talk?

Alex Stokoe

…Having played soccer at club level and followed Tottenham since the early 1960’s,it is obvious that a strong defence is the basis of a football team. Midfielders and forwards give off their best when they know that they can rely on their defence. It is like a chain reaction. When the defence is shaky, midfielders and forwards are demotivated. Just like in golf–poor putting results in errant drives off the tee and inaccurate approach shots onto the green.

With Postecoglu’s high press system the defence plays a high line. The football is exciting to watch but it is easy for opponents to pick up errant passes and play long balls over the top for their marauding forwards. The Tottenham defenders scramble back but to no avail.Easy goals for the picking for the top and bottom of the table teams. The unfortunate Tottenham defenders are forced to run at top speed often changing direction at speed. This results in pulled hamstrings and other forms of injury. It is no coincidence that Van de Ven and Romero pulled up with injuries two seasons in a row.

Postecoglu’s system is not codusive for the EPL. The results show it. He is not willing to adapt to EPL conditions and deserves the chop.

Anon

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Man Utd thrashed at Wolves? More Spurs madness? How Boxing Day 2024 could mirror 1963

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It’s perhaps the most famous set of results in English football history: 1-5, 6-1, 10-1, 2-0, 6-1, 3-3, 3-0, 4-4, 2-8, 3-3.

No, it’s not Tottenham’s last 10 results in all competitions, but the First Division results from Boxing Day 1963, the silliest of all days. Sixty-six goals across 10 games, with twice as many teams scoring three or more goals as managed one or fewer. A brilliant thing, and alas a bar no subsequent Boxing Day could match.

This, though, is already confirmed as the most batsh*t Premier League season ever and if anyone can live up to the boys of 63, it’s the 2024/25 Barclays. So we’ve considered the eight games on offer, and assigned them each one of those 1963 efforts. Yes it is handy we don’t have to include the 10-1 because of that. We don’t just make up our rules on the spot, you know.

Just be grateful we haven’t done 16 Conclusions on these made-up results, because we’re absolutely not above that kind of thing as you know.

Manchester City 2-0 Everton

Easy one to start. A full eight years before his birth, 1963 Everton were already channelling their inner Sean Dyche and refusing to play any part in the Utter Woke Nonsense going off around the country, contenting themselves with a disappointing but entirely regulation 2-0 defeat at Leicester.

Everton were one of only two teams not to score on that famous Boxing Day 61 years ago, and that’s also something they’ve managed to achieve in six of their last seven games here and now. Let’s gloss over the fact they accidentally scored four in the other one.

Four of Everton’s last six games have ended 0-0 and had there been such an option on the 1963 classifieds we’d have had it; if you can shut down Arsenal and Chelsea as Dycheball has in the last couple of weeks you can surely do the same to this pale imitation of Pep Guardiola’s Manchester City.

Does seem a bit wild that this is the most regulation, vanilla prediction among all this nonsense and it’s one of the ones we’re least sure about because City scoring twice against Everton seems just absurdly far-fetched right now.

Bournemouth 3-3 Crystal Palace

Excuses in first: this is the one we’re least happy about. But one of the key quirks of the 1963 results is that the only home wins available to us are 2-0, 3-0, 6-1 or 10-1. We don’t think Bournemouth, good as they are, are going to win 6-1 (or, indeed, 10-1) against Crystal Palace, bad as they are. And the 2-0 and 3-0 both have more compelling contenders elsewhere.

But we’re not about to go suggesting Palace might win this 8-2 as title-chasing Blackburn did at West Ham all those years ago either. So we’re a bit stuck really. Doesn’t leave us with much anywhere else to go than the 3-3 draw Forest and the Blades offered up.

It’s not an absolute madness as suggestions go, though. Bournemouth have scored exactly three goals three times in the Premier League this season, and conceded exactly three goals twice. Palace did score three at Brighton recently, before conceding eight goals across two games against Arsenal.

We’ve almost talked ourselves into actually believing this one.

Chelsea 3-0 Fulham

The West London posers were two of the biggest contributors to the 1963 silliness, scoring 15 goals between them. Fulham got 10 of those against Ipswich, who might be grateful to escape on a technicality here by not playing Arsenal until Friday.

However, if Fulham wanted to be considered live contenders for a key role in all this year’s predicted festivities then they should have thought about that before spending 90 minutes struggling to find their arsehole with both hands against Southampton of all teams. That is simply not the way to go about getting us to predict they might score a whole load of goals at Chelsea. They were fools to think it was.

No, Fulham right now have become altogether too dreary. Relentlessly competent off the ball but uninspiring on it, especially if Emile Smith Rowe isn’t there to add a little something, something.

Enzo Maresca’s hugely impressive Chelsea do have an undeniable capability for chaos, but we’d humbly suggest that manifests more often than not in being open to chaotic extravagance against teams who are more often and more proactively agents of chaos, rather than generating it themselves.

Thrashing Wolves and Southampton, for instance, or roaring back from a goal down against Brighton to score four by half-time. And most obviously with whatever that absurdity was at Tottenham.

Against less chaos-inclined opposition, Chelsea have rarely brought their own to the table. Perhaps the most obvious parallel for this Boxing Day test in Chelsea’s recent efforts was the Villa game, with Unai Emery’s men unable at that time to fully emerge from a funk that left their football on the dreary side of staid. And the fact we’ve crowbarred that in because it enormously conveniently finished 3-0, the only remaining non-nonsense home win we’ve got to choose from, is neither here nor there.

Newcastle 3-3 Aston Villa

Another nice straightforward chance to use one of the teams involved 61 years ago when selecting our scoreline for what is, on paper, the game of the day.

As noted by Steven Chicken in Big Boxing Day, we’ve a sneaking feeling that both teams’ recent resurgence makes this a ‘take a draw’ kind of affair that allows both teams to rumble on to the next game with momentum retained and positive vibes in place.

Of course, this is Boxing Day 1963 we’re talking about. So both teams being happy to settle for a point means the game ends 3-3. In fairness, Newcastle have scored 15 and Aston Villa 10 across their last five games respectively, which makes 3-3 seem slightly less outlandish than it otherwise might. And it was also the scoreline the last time a good team – Liverpool – visited St James’ Park. To be honest, it’s starting to look nailed-on.

Nottingham Forest 4-4 Tottenham

A wonderfully entertaining Spurs team travelled to the midlands on Boxing Day 1963 and emerged with a madcap 4-4 draw. The 2024 version of Spurs are so absurd that such an outcome from another trip to the midlands 61 years later would, if anything, be slightly underwhelming for a team whose last four games have involved losing 4-3 at home from 2-0 up against Chelsea, scoring five goals before half-time at Southampton, attempting to lose from 3-0 up and eventually tripping over themselves to a 4-3 win against Manchester United and contriving a situation where their defeat against Liverpool could entirely accurately be described as ‘only 6-3’.

If you’ve ever wondered how Spurs are so good at being Spurs, it’s because they’ve been doing it for so long. They went into that West Brom game back in 1963 in great shape in the title race, went ahead in the third minute and held two-goal leads on three separate occasions before ending up with only a single point to show for it. The one difference between 1960s Spurs and the current pack of plonkers – admittedly a significant one – is that the 1960s version did still win things.

Clearly there’s no great leap of imagination required to picture Spurs playing out a 4-4 draw, especially one in which their game management is laughably poor, but do Forest have it in them? That’s admittedly less clear for a team that is just quite simply good and has neither scored nor conceded four times in a single game this season. But we can get there. Forest have, for instance, both scored and conceded three in a game at some point in the last few weeks, and once you factor in the Spurs nonsense multiplier it’s perfectly easy to imagine how Forest could both score and concede one more than that. If you can win 3-2 at Man United, you can absolutely draw 4-4 with Spurs.

Southampton 1-5 West Ham

Okay fine, there’s very flimsy evidence that we can expect this kind of thing from West Ham. We are forced here to lean far, far too heavily on a 4-1 home win against Ipswich nearly three months ago. But there’s no denying West Ham retain the requisite component parts to perform a madness even under the stifling not-sacked-yet gaze of the Spanish Moyes, Julen Lopetegui.

And really, we don’t actually need to know that West Ham can score five away when we know with such absolute certainty that Southampton can concede five at home. Especially to London clubs. It’s happened twice this month already.

Wolves 6-1 Manchester United

A proud, old powerhouse of English football giving Manchester United an absolute shoeing? We’re in. With the Gary O’Neil shackles well and truly thrown off, who among us would truly be surprised to see Wolves the latest club to inflict defensive misery on Ruben Amorim’s baffled back three? Not us, that’s for sure.

Wolves have fleetingly shown themselves to be a side with goals in them – they got four at Fulham a while back, didn’t they? And another three at Leicester this week. And most importantly Manchester United’s current players simply cannot yet defend coherently or cohesively in Ruben Amorim’s preferred formation. They’ve conceded seven goals across their last two game and unfortunately for them it is DEFINITELY about to get even worse.

Liverpool 6-1 Leicester

Obviously Liverpool can’t hope to play against a team as stupid as Ange Postecoglou’s Tottenham every game, but they do get to do it two games in a row this Christmas thanks to their next assignment being against Ruud van Nistelrooy’s Leicester.

They’ve conceded seven goals across their last two games against Newcastle and Wolves, and must now make a significant step up in class against a team absolutely rammed full of confidence after getting all those lovely presents at Spurs.

We must admit we were tempted by the 10-1 here, but the neatness of another 6-1 Liverpool win to match that Stoke mauling back in the day gets the nod. It is also, we will just about accept, probably very, very, very slightly more likely. But we really are not ruling out the 10. We’re going to be kicking ourselves, aren’t we?

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Amorim 'doing a Mourinho' so Man Utd sell Zirkzee, Garnacho as Postecoglou sack talk slammed

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Is Ruben Amorim ‘doing a Jose Mourinho’ to prove a point to Manchester United? Also: Tottenham boss Ange Postecoglou should only be doubted if he strays from his principles.

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Where is the Man Utd criticism?

I had to laugh around all the discourse about Spurs being a laughing stock getting trounced by a three goal margin at home. Yet there’s very little about Man Utd being and doing the same.

Hated. Adored. And now also ignored.

Derek, LFC

I’m loving Big Ange instead

You know, reading all this dross from the other side of the world about Ange’s need for a “Plan B”, playing kamikaze football, being out of his depth, I had to bite. I’ve read about Ange’s shortcomings for well over a decade now. He proves you all wrong time and time again.

Ange had trouble in the 2000s as the coach of the Joeys, Australia’s national team youth side. And at the end of that dark tunnel, he made a promise to a close friend and colleague: enough compromise, I’m sticking to my principles. This lead to success at ‘Roarcelona’, the Socceroos, Yokohama and Celtic. Mickey Mouse you say? I’d love to see the credentials of Sir Alex and Arsene pre-EPL. I’d also love to see the “winning” English managers have achieved. So why should he listen to you or your pundits? You can’t even win your own league.

It is from sticking to his principles that he has made it to Tottenham. For all those Spurs fans that have short memories (*cough* the regulars of certain youtube channels *cough*), the Spurs’ motto is “Audere est Facere”. To dare is to do. We lost this under Poch’s final season, Mourinho, Nuno and Conte. Turgid, dire football, relying on Kane and Son to pull us through it all. I really enjoyed waking up at 3am on a Monday to watch that utter garbage.

Now no Kane, an older Son. Here is a manager willing to commit to breaking a mental fragility at a club so unwilling to change. To do so with significant contraints in his squad depth. A man who has an identity of attacking football, something Spurs fans (again, very short memories) have begged for for years. Danny Blanchflower would be disgusted by these “fans”. Quick reminder to those that have forgotten: “The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom.” Take that from someone who was actually successful at Tottenham. Sounds like Danny was almost exactly describing Ange…

Argue to a brick wall about Plan Bs and being pragmatic, it’s a loser mentality. The THST were a joke, ready to ‘explain’ to Ange about the importance of Arsenal losing the league. Like he hadn’t just come from the Old Firm derby, a rivalry beyond the football pitch. Again, the English thinking they know best. Lsoer mentality. But what Ange can do right now, is build the right mindset. Make the impossible happen, and transform the club’s relationship with success.

A Plan B like a low block does nothing for the club’s future. Nothing for the players like Bergvall and Gray who will be there for years to come. To play on the front foot even when the going gets tough, means these players won’t retreat, they won’t hide, when the games matter. When success is within reach. They will take the game to anyone. Don’t lie to me: you all saw the score from 1-5 to 3-5 and thought “no way, but maybe?”

On the game: Liverpool have no injuries, insane depth everywhere on the pitch, an extra day of rest, and are the clear best in England and Europe. What did you expect? Just defend for your lives? Sorry, the manager doesn’t believe in you guys. Give up before the first whistle and know your place. Be losers before the game even begins. Seems like the message from the pundits and some Spurs fans (those at the ground were brilliant).

The moment Ange strays from his principles, it’s over. That’s not what the club needs in this revolution. It needs the strongest will in the darkest night. No matter the difficulty, the injury toll, the lack of squad depth, Tottenham Hotspur have to believe they can still beat anyone, anytime, anywhere. Once the team is ready to compete with personnel, the mentality will already be there, ready to take this club to another level. Ange is trying to eradicate the English from Tottenham, and build an unwavering belief that the team can win no matter the circumstance.

Oh, and F365. Utter gutter journalism. The constant use of derogatory terms for a team with about 10 injuries, a (correct) ban for racism, signings that reflect more a child labour camp than a football club, and only now rebuilding when a rebuild was required 5 years ago. You yearn for personalities, for points of difference in this league. Bemoan likeness amongst teams. Yet write utter dross time and time again about a guy who won’t waiver over his beliefs in how to lead a team. I can’t imagine the rubbish you would have written about Gasperini at Atalanta when his attacking football resulted in crazy scorelines. That would be if I can even read beyond the 40 pop-ups and ads on your website.

Do better.

Matt

Big Ange criticism

Hello,

Why do you insist on making preposterous statements concerning the ability of Tottenham’s visionary coach?

Ange Postecoglou has a successful style which is poised to sweep the PL. His issue at present is that the players he inherited are not ideal for his system, neither in character nor in ability.

Give Ange his due praise instead of displaying your obvious lack of discernment.

Regards,

Jerzy Fila

Man Utd is not an office…

Morning,

Interesting from Saby MUFC reading this morning. They might be on the clickbait hunt, but I have to say, MUFC is not an office and Amorim is not a middle manager.

Firstly, as a person who works in an office, if I witnessed sexual harrassment, theft, or some generalised gross miscounduct on my very first day, I wouldn’t wait a few months to get the lie of the land and then address it. Some things you just know aren’t good and a failure to address them immediately is poor management.

Secondly, writing a report on sales performance in various regions of the UK, or creating a mad spreadsheet looking at 18 month projected recruitment needs is not comparable to watching footballers on the training ground. The ability to send an email is not the same as the ability to instantly control, with one touch, a football fizzed to you whilst you’re in a tight space. My point: it takes longer to judge performance in an office than it does in a sport.

Thirdly, after the lassitude and lethargy of the last decade at United, I would venture that someone on the front foot is exactly what is needed, and this sqaud, the majority of whom simply don’t pass the eyeball test when watching, needs signifcant change. Implementing a system that you know works is a reasonable approach, and if that also begets a reset of playing staff, well, then I’d say that’s a positive.

Further, how can have a stable team when you don’t yet know the players? If there is a failing there, and there is, it is the casual approach of the senior management in not removing Ten Hag ealry enough to give Amorim a pre season with the squad.

All of which said, agree with you totally ref Fernandes.

Have a wodnerful Christmas all,

Michael, The North

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…Does anyone else feel that maybe Amorim is “doing a Jose”? And by that I mean purposefully picking players who we know aren’t good enough in particular positions so it can be used as evidence to get rid?

I mean, Malacia has never really been good enough. A solid enough back up at full back but in midfield?

No one thinks Zirklee is a 9. And we have a 9 on the bench who has been doing well (are we saving him for something?), plus another not in the squad and seemingly destined to be pushed out but who is comfortable (and has been successful) as a 9.

No one thinks Garnacho is a 10. Dude cannot pass and simply doesn’t have that kind of vision or awareness. He’s an out and out winger.

No one thinks Eriksen is a hardworking central mid. He could likely do very nicely where Bruno gets to sit and misplace passes and shots. He can also take a decent corner and free kick. So obviously that’s not happening. We’ll let Bruno keep doing that as it’s working so well.

Casemiro? Nah. Collyer? Amass? Nah, both apparently are to be sold for a pittance if rumours are true.

We all knew (or at least, the sane non-plastic fans knew) this change would take time. And it requires a different type of player than we necessarily have in depth.

But it does start to feel like there’s some purposeful intent behind some of these selections. Either way, it’ll all come out in the wash, and this season is not the season to judge or build up huge expectations. Other than maybe to play the best suited players in their best available positions in matches we don’t need to concede so tamely.

Badwolf

Johnny Nic back to his best

Thoroughly enjoyed JN’s latest diatribe. It’s been a while but that was up there with some of his best. ‘Like cutting off your cock because you might get syphilis’ had me in stitches. Keep it up and Merry Christmas to all at f365.

Rob

He HAS to go

Dear Editor

I have been saying this for a year. Ange Postecoglou is out of his depth in the Premier League. It is all very well winning in the Aussie, Japanese and Scottish Premier leagues – the latter which have giants such as Hearts, St Johnstone and Dundee – but our Premier League is arguably the best in the world.

It is impossible to have a Plan B which is the same as your Plan A which doesn’t work.

In the Carabao Cup match against Man Utd, the game was won in the 55th minute – yet this inane system of short passing in the penalty area and mistakes by Forster left the result in doubt until the final whistle.

Who is daft enough to have high-line against Liverpool speedsters, Sala and Diaz. While smiling sheepishly, Ange is adamant he will not change and any player not playing to this ‘system’ will be out.

I was writing a letter to Daniel Levy on Sunday evening, with match still with 20 minutes from finishing.

Here are two ‘HAVES’!

Tottenham HAVE to sack Ange and HAVE to make Bournemouth an offer for Andoni Ariola which they cannot turn down.

Regards

Jim Sokol

Missed concussion?

Beginning to think that the concussion protocol in the Premiership missed a previous incident involving Fraser Forster.

Jason G, Montreal Canada

On Spurs v Liverpool

Obviously, happy with the results on Sunday. I know the odds were always with us to be top at Christmas, and that that doesn’t really matter except for pride at this stage of the season but it’s nice to have the lead and the points buffer back.

But: Am I the only Liverpool fan who watched those first two Spurs goals going in and thought: “Kelleher would have saved that”?

It used to be that I would watch Kelleher’s games seeing goals going in and thinking “Alisson would have had that” more recently, I’m watching saves and thinking “Alisson wouldn’t have got that”.

I know the history of how great Alisson has been, and still is compared with most, I just don’t think he’s our best keeper any more and I think we might be about to nudge our best keeper out of the door by not recognising him. Worse still, Kelleher could sign for a rival and still be helping them beat us to trophies in six or seven years’ time.

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What is football for? I mean that existentially: what is it for? The ex-pro pundit would no doubt sit on a sofa, often a colourless bore, with legs wide apart and say “at the end of the day, Gary, it’s all about results”, because they always, always do.

But it’s simply not true, is it? Because if it was, almost no one would play because they’d know they were not good enough to win anything. In case our pundits have forgotten, or have never realised, almost no club wins anything almost all the time, and relegated teams get thousands to see them. So whatever ‘it’ is, it isn’t all about results.

If it’s about results, it’d be a pretty miserable procession every season and I can’t see it lasting 150 years on the meagre rations of a win every now and again. If you think that then you undervalue the football experience.

So when they spout such nonsense, ignore this brain-in-neutral garbage.

Obviously, the point of football is to have fun, though increasingly that is being forgotten or crushed. Football is driven towards pragmatism for fear of harsh judgement by social media and a lobotomised press who report social media comments as if it’s actual news, consistently soiling itself in creating every journalist’s eight ‘stories’ each day.

Most teams play a similar brand of football, most players are trying or are playing in a similar fashion. If you’re not and are a maverick, you’ll soon have all your interesting bits ground off by the millstone of pragmatism.

Pleasure…that’s what keeps us coming back for more. We’re often told grinding out a 1-0 win is the sign of title winners, but so what? If it’s boring, who wants to watch other than the glory hunters who always want to be on the winning side?

Look at how many managers are criticised for playing defensive, negative, cautious football. Gareth Southgate, largely inaccurately, couldn’t move for the ‘never mind just winning, win with more style and flair’ shouters. David Moyes deployed football as a form of euthanasia and got the sack, despite winning a European trophy (with the biggest budget by far to help him, of course). Still believe it’s all about results?

Which brings us to Tottenham. Some fans criticised previous managers for perceived negativity. “Play the Spurs way,” said the protectors of the White Hart Lane flame. But look at what Danny Blanchflower said: “The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom.”

He’d have loved Ange. But it is a philosophy that is now anathema to most and certainly to the overly solemn pundits for whom it’s always “a results-based game”. Bollocks to that.

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So they got in a manager whose main driving force is free-wheeling entertainment. Loved at all-conquering Celtic, this achievement was ignored by the wearers of the impenetrable Our League blinkers who are also often notorious Scotia-phobes, born out of sheer ignorance. Criticism is inconsistent, accusing a losing team of basic flaws but quietly ignoring the same things when they win. Because the truth is that sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. And that’s fine.

Nobody could have been in any doubt that Ange would bring a dynamic, unconservative, attacking game to Spurs. And so he has. There’s been ups and downs, but as the song goes, if you lose all the highs and lows, it’s funny how the feeling goes away.

As of Saturday, they had won seven league games, none by a single goal and only one by two goals. All seven of their league defeats had been by a single goal and there had been only two draws. They have eviscerated and been eviscerated as on Sunday. Perhaps beating City 4-0 isn’t the stellar achievement we thought initially, given City’s crapulence, but it’s still huge. You want to ditch this in favour of a side that’ll bring on an extra defender and close the game down for the last 20 minutes? No, you can’t have both, it doesn’t work like that. You have to choose.

And now here come the critics and chin-strokers, taking it all so seriously, wearing the neutral clothing of conservatism. The anti-football mob who now don’t want the exciting stuff just because it means they lose sometimes. It’s like cutting off your cock because you might get syphilis.

These joyless creatures still believe that “it’s all about results” sh*te and talk about Ange’s unwillingness to change as a weakness, or stubbornness. But they are the most glorious team we’ve seen since mid-90’s Newcastle. Do you want to be remembered for generationally great moments, or do you want a trophy? Bland or spicy? Corporate or maverick?

The irony of complaining about him after all the negative managers seems lost on them. The rest of us, those who know football is fun, see only the positives. Not shutting games down pays the greatest compliment of seeking to entertain us. I find it incredible that anyone would criticise that.

The critics who say he should ‘tweak’ his style in-game are missing the whole point. Always with the ‘tweaking’. Mostly this sage advice is ‘please don’t do that thing that you did to make you lose’. Duh. But nobody says that when they win so spectacularly, even though they’re playing the same way.

This is sport, not an A-level examination. Having a good time is the whole point. And Spurs entertain and crucially allow their opponents, like Liverpool on Sunday, to entertain too. Only Spurs would lose 6-3 after being 5-1 down. They don’t give up, or get any tighter, the crowd still roaring in anticipation with every attack; this should be what football is all about, not some efficient soulless grind or airless pragmatism.

It’s not surprising he gets frustrated and annoyed at the same criticism time and again from the same stupids. Some of the criticism is unfair and doesn’t understand what he’s trying to achieve and it comes from a place that doesn’t interest him. These people who call for pragmatism are anathema to him. He is rightly contemptuous of their attitude.

Has everything got to be calculated and methodical as if football is a scientific experiment? Football is already more like accountancy than rock ‘n’ roll, thank God there’s someone with the courage to put the pedal to the metal and ignore the brainwashing.

Inevitably, somewhere in the mix, is a certain anti-Antipodean hostility and mouth-breathers in the press who have already proven ignorant enough to think he’s achieved nothing, are trying to rough him up with their stupidity, still gravely saying ‘don’t you have to change?’ and calling for more sense. But many of us know sense is the death of excitement and creativity.

Ignore the stupids Ange. Whatever your league position, you regularly have one of the most attractive teams to watch and that has to be worth something. It’s all about enjoyment and you’ve got Tottenham sometimes playing and allowing the finest football for a generation and if football isn’t about fun and excitement then it’s about nothing. Keep fighting against the low drone of mediocrity.

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