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Why Tottenham vs Manchester United was one of the worst games in Premier League history

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Towards the end of Tottenham Hotspur’s 1-0 win over Manchester United, with the game still in the balance, both Brennan Johnson and Patrick Dorgu lost theirs. The two players careered into each other, leaving them both on the floor.

It was a moment to sum up what must have been one of the worst Premier League matches ever played, relative to the cost of both squads. This isn’t to criticise either player, or any of the players, or even the managers.

It is just the peculiar context that both clubs find themselves in, with the match preceded by a Spurs supporters protest against the ownership. Their team at least got a win that matters more to them, with Ange Postecoglou talking about how “it was important for us” (and certainly for him). But it’s hard to know what any of it means for United. Maybe nothing. That’s what the season has become.

Their Premier League campaign is another write-off, perhaps worse than 2021-22 and the most pronounced since 1988-89. Sir Alex Ferguson’s early United finished 11th that season, with a mere 45 goals in 38 games. Right now, it’s 15th and 28 in 25. This defeat was actually the 10th game in the Premier League that United haven’t scored in. That’s 40 per cent of their matches.

You can see why Ruben Amorim wanted to come at the end of the season rather than midway through it. “My job is so hard,” he said, after United’s 12th defeat of the league campaign.

It has been said on these pages before, but there’s an argument to just totally write the campaign off and use it positively as preparation for next term.

It’s hard not to think like that when the situation has somehow got worse. Having necessarily reduced the numbers in their squad over the transfer window despite badly needing reinforcements, United now have both Amad Diallo and Kobbie Mainoo injured for lengthy spells. Amad, who has been one of the few sources of hope this season, is now expected to miss the rest of it. Amorim spoke hopefully that Mainoo may only miss weeks rather than months.

Postecoglou naturally expanded on this theme after the game, saying he could empathise – but, tellingly, not sympathise.

“I could see Ruben there, players out of position, kids on the bench... welcome to my world,” Postecoglou said. “But that’s for one game. Do that for two months. Do that for two months. And that’s anyone.”

The Spurs manager then insisted such injury crises could affect anyone. Little doubt about where Postecoglou was pinning responsibility for this. He was pointing to the calendar, rather than issues with any individual club or managerial approach.

“What’s happened to us is going to happen to other clubs,” Postecoglou said, “and it’s coming.”

Here, James Maddison coming back from injury proved decisive, as he scored the game’s only goal. It had all the more resonance since Roy Keane had made headlines this week for strident criticism of the playmaker. Maddison made play of that in his celebration, referencing the darts that had been brought up and “shushing” the noise.

Keane might well counter that this was a match between 13th and 14th, rather than a game of any great significance to the Premier League table.

It wasn’t really like the goal was a product of exemplary attacking play, either. United were getting caught out by wide balls, Son Heung Min swung a cross back and then Andre Onana spilled a shot at Maddison’s feet.

The playmaker did well to be there, which you could say was important given that mere presence – literally being there on the pitch – was such a crucial differential.

It otherwise stood out because the game was mostly defined by low-quality attacking cancelling out low-quality defending. There was so much space, but no one really had the quality to do much with it.

Most of the more memorable shots seemed to fly waywardly over the bar rather than even test the goalkeepers. Hence another defining moment featured Joshua Zirkzee missing a volley completely at the back post. As with Johnson and Dorgu, though, this isn’t to single out Zirkzee.

The Dutch forward actually offered most of United’s more productive moments, and you could see how he would be a useful option – especially as a link player – in a good team. In a team like this, though, it’s just too much responsibility to bear. The same with Rasmus Hojlund, and even Alejandro Garnacho.

It’s almost unfair on them, and raises such questions about the club’s recruitment over the past two to three years.

And yet what can the manager do? Performances like this will inevitably bring more scrutiny on Amorim, as people reasonably start to point out the bare facts. In his time, United have become worse. Some selection decisions have been baffling.

That would be a superficial reading, though. The truth is that United, as a club, had bottomed out. A series of bad decisions left them at a point where everything now just needs to be rebuilt.

It’s why this season’s games almost have to be used as tactical building blocks. Hence it doesn’t feel as damning that Amorim doesn’t offer more pragmatism for individual games like this, when injuries are so bad. Casemiro, for one, need not have been so tactically exposed.

Amorim himself understandably dodged a question on whether this campaign should almost be seen as an extended pre-season. He can’t afford to let his players think like that, after all, and he still has two cup competitions to try and win. That is something else that’s reminiscent of the 1980s or early 1990s.

Amorim did admit United are in a kind of “survival” mode, where it is just about seeking to improve individual aspects for the next game.

It instead feels like purgatory. A lot of this match was the same.

There’s not even much to read into it. This doesn’t tell us anything meaningful about Amorim’s capacity to manage United, because this just isn’t what United should be or anything like his idealised team.

This is the point about preparing for next season.

The problem with such idealising is that the reality of it is extremely grim. It’s also where clubs do have to look to the bigger picture. It's where they have to show patience, and a bit of nerve.

Postecoglou may empathise with that, too. He can now hope that Spurs have come through their own crisis, as players return and they claim successive Premier League wins for the first time since November. They got through it.

Many who watched this game might feel the same. It was not, as the saying goes, an advertisement for the Premier League. It was instead a showcase of wider issues, from ownership to the calendar.

Tottenham fans call for Daniel Levy exit at protest ahead of Man Utd clash

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Tottenham Hotspur fans turned out in numbers to protest against chairman Daniel Levy and the club’s ownership before Sunday’s home fixture with Manchester United.

Frustration amongst supporters has increased throughout a difficult winter period and last week saw Ange Postecoglou’s injury-hit team crash out of the Carabao Cup and FA Cup in the space of 72 hours.

Fan group Change for Tottenham had already arranged a protest for the visit of United and a crowd of at least two thousand made their way down the High Road before they congregated outside the stadium where various chants for Levy to leave the club followed.

A number of banners were held up as fans gathered outside the West Stand.

The largest – aimed at majority owners ENIC – read: ‘24 years, 16 managers, 1 trophy – Time for change’.

Another banner said: ‘Our Game Is About Glory, Levy’s Game is About Greed’.

Earlier this week Change for Tottenham member Christina Zandes told the PA news agency: “Even if we do get a win on Sunday, it doesn’t matter – we still want change to happen.

“This cycle is on repeat and we can’t keep going on with this. We’re tired.

“A lot of the fans are disconnected completely from the club and it’s a horrible feeling to see how bad we’re struggling right now and it should not be happening.”

Frustration has often centred on Tottenham’s lengthy trophy drought, with the 2008 League Cup their last silverware.

Data released by financial experts Deloitte last month has also been used against chairman Levy and ENIC.

Spurs placed ninth in Deloitte’s list of the world’s richest clubs with revenue of £520m from the 2023-24 season, but the club’s spend of 42 per cent of its revenue on wages was the lowest of any team in the top 10. It was also lower than all eight Premier League clubs in Deloitte’s top 20 with West Ham, Newcastle and Aston Villa spending more of their revenue on wages.

While Spurs signed Dominic Solanke for £65m from Bournemouth last summer alongside a number of highly-rated teenage prospects, it has failed to translate into consistent results with Postecoglou’s squad unable to cope with the demand of extra cup fixtures.

Tottenham went on to claim a 1-0 victory against Manchester United thanks to James Maddison’s 13th-minute goal, but a small crowd of around 200 fans stayed behind at full-time to hold up banners and continue calls for Levy to leave the club in the South Stand.

When Postecoglou was quizzed on the protest, the 59-year-old highlighted the strong backing of the supporters during a vital win.

“Well, I mean, obviously I wasn’t outside so I can’t comment on that, but I thought the fans were great today in the stadium,” Postecoglou said.

“I thought they got behind the team and it was important. Like I said it was an important game for us.

“All the the fans contributed to us getting the result we needed.”

Tottenham Hotspur vs Manchester United LIVE: Premier League team news and latest build-up

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Follow live coverage as Tottenham Hotspur face Manchester United today in the Premier League. Another top-flight season will be covered in full right here with The Independent, as reigning champions Manchester City look to make it an unprecedented five titles in a row come the end of 2024/25.

The likes of Arsenal and Liverpool will be chasing Pep Guardiola's side, but just as fascinating will be the race for Champions League places, with more teams than ever before having designs on top-four finishes. Chelsea remain big-spending, Manchester United's latest rebuild continues and both Tottenham and Newcastle will expect improvements this year - yet it was Aston Villa who snared fourth last term.

Meanwhile, it's Southampton, Leicester City and Ipswich Town who made it back to the elite after promotion last year and each will have hope they can make it more than a one-year stay. Follow the latest live action from the Premier League below:

Arsenal vs Tottenham Hotspur LIVE: Women's Super League team news and latest build-up

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The new Women's Super League marks the start of a new era for reigning champions Chelsea, with long-serving boss Emma Hayes having departed in summer to start a new adventure with the USA Women's team.

Last year they just about did enough to claim the title on goal difference ahead of Manchester City, while Arsenal will again hope to make it a three-horse race for the WSL title. Meanwhile Liverpool, Manchester United and Tottenham will hope to progress after further rebuilding this summer.

Crystal Palace were promoted to replace Bristol City in the top flight, while on a wider note, the league is now under the management and operation of a new organisation set up to lead women's football towards further growth and progression, with Nikki Doucet overseeing both the WSL and Championship in a new phase for the game.

Follow the live action below as Arsenal face Tottenham Hotspur today in the WSL:

Tottenham vs Manchester United LIVE: Team news and line-ups from crucial Premier League clash

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Anything could happen as two clubs struggling in the bottom half of the table clash in north London

Tottenham face Manchester United in a Premier League clash of two of Europe’s most underperforming teams, with Ange Postecoglou and Ruben Amorim out to secure a victory to improve their struggling seasons.

Spurs and United are both languishing in the bottom half of the table and there is pressure building on Postecoglou’s side after notable exits from the FA Cup and Carabao Cup last week.

Though Amorim may not be facing the same speculation around his job, he will be similarly desperate for three points today as both sides look to salvage something from an underwhelming campaign.

The last meeting of these teams was a cracker, with Spurs defeating United 4-3 in an error-filled Carabao Cup quarter-final. Who knows what could happen this afternoon as 14th and 15th meet in north London.

Follow all the latest from the Tottenham vs Man Utd in our live blog:

Ruben Amorim feels cost of Manchester United’s PSR position with transfer update

Ruben Amorim said Manchester United will have to sell players if they are to buy in the summer transfer window.

United have little leeway with Profitability and Sustainability Rules, which have been extended for next season, while their finances are tight, with co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe considering a fresh spell of redundancies and cost-cutting after sacking 250 staff last year.

Amorim made his first buys in the January transfer window, with Ayden Heaven arriving for £1.5m and Patrick Dorgu for £25m, but only when he brought in money by loaning out Marcus Rashford, with Aston Villa paying at least 75 percent of his wages, Antony, with Real Betis paying 84 percent of his salary, and Tyrell Malacia, with PSV Eindhoven covering his earnings.

Ruben Amorim feels cost of Manchester United’s PSR position with transfer update

Amorim feels his transfer budget will be much smaller in the summer unless he cashes in on the current squad

Chris Wilson16 February 2025 11:05

Tottenham set for huge injury boost as five first-team stars could return for Man Utd clash

Tottenham are set to be boosted by the return of several key figures for Sunday's visit of Manchester United.

Spurs were without 11 players for last weekend's FA Cup exit at Aston Villa, but boss Ange Postecoglou has worked with Guglielmo Vicario, Destiny Udogie, James Maddison, Wilson Odobert and Brennan Johnson in training this week.

Italy international Vicario has not featured since he fractured his ankle in the 4-0 win at Manchester City on November 23 and Postecoglou has used three different goalkeepers during the ensuing three-month period.

Tottenham set for huge injury boost as several stars return for Man Utd clash

Ange Postecoglou was delighted with a ‘good week’ as his injury crisis begins to clear

Chris Wilson16 February 2025 10:45

Prediction

This could well be the Premier League’s most difficult match to predict, with neither manager knowing exactly what kind of performance they’ll get from their side. The two sides’ meeting in the Carabao Cup in December was a comedy of errors and lack of quality, and this could well be the same.

Tottenham 2-2 Manchester United.

Chris Wilson16 February 2025 10:30

Predicted line-ups

Spurs XI: Kinsky; Porro, Danso, Gray, Spence; Sarr, Bentancur, Bissouma; Kulusevski, Son, Tel.

Man Utd XI: Onana; Mazraoui, Maguire, Yoro; Dalot, Ugarte, Fernandes, Dorgu; Amad, Mainoo; Hojlund.

Chris Wilson16 February 2025 10:20

What is the Man Utd team news?

For United, Ruben Amorim revealed that there are “one or two issues” within the squad after the win over Leicester last weekend, though he didn’t give any names. Lisandro Martinez is the only long-term absentee, but Amorim indicated Mason Mount, Jonny Evans, Luke Shaw and Altay Bayindir will remain out on Sunday, with their new setbacks seeing some academy players called up for training.

Jamie Braidwood16 February 2025 10:15

What is the Tottenham team news?

Postecoglou is still dealing with one of the worst injury crises in the league at present, with Cristian Romero, Micky van de Ven, James Maddison, Dominic Solanke and Richardson all still sidelined.

Guigliemo Vicario, Brennan Johnson, James Maddison, Destiny Udogie and Wilson Odobert all returned to training this week, and all five could make a return to the squad.

Chris Wilson16 February 2025 10:10

Is Tottenham vs Man Utd on TV?

When is Tottenham vs Manchester United?

The match kicks off at 4,30pm on Sunday, 16 February at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium in London.

How can I watch the match?

The match will be shown live in the UK on Sky Sports Main Event and Premier League, with coverage starting at 4pm.

If you’re not a Sky customer, you can grab a NOWTV Day Pass to watch without a subscription.

Chris Wilson16 February 2025 10:05

Tottenham vs Man Utd LIVE

Tottenham Hotspur host Manchester United in the Premier League today, with the league’s two most underwhelming sides set to face off in the capital.

Ange Postecoglou’s Spurs sat in 14th in the table going into the weekend – with just 27 points – having exited both the Carabao Cup and FA Cup, with questions persisting around the Australian’s future at the club.

And things are not much better at United, with Ruben Amorim’s side sitting just two points and one place above Spurs.

The Portuguese’s start to life at Old Trafford has been underwhelming so far, and while they have taken a place in the last 16 of the Europa League alongside Spurs, it’s now a fact that success in that competition is the only potential positive that either club can take from an otherwise disappointing season.

Chris Wilson16 February 2025 10:02

Tottenham vs Man Utd LIVE

Good morning and welcome to The Independent’s live coverage of today’s Premier League match between Tottenham and Manchester United.

The match sees two of the league’s most underwhelming sides face off, as a struggling Spurs look to leapfrog United into 13th place in the table.

And we’ll have all the latest build-up and team new right here.

Chris Wilson16 February 2025 10:00

Tottenham and Man Utd are abject failures – and it’s obvious why

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Towards the end of the transfer window, as poor results led to a growing sense of panic around Tottenham Hotspur, the club pushed for some unexpected deals. Some were so unexpected that the targets abruptly expressed no interest in going there. More than one player preferred a move to Aston Villa.

Manchester United aren’t at that point but they have found their sway isn’t what it was. Many under-23s, which is the age profile the club are now prioritising, have grown up with the club looking like a basketcase rather than frequent champions. One target's disinterest was described as “a low”.

That’s been the thing with this season for both clubs. As bad as it has got, it has always felt like a new nadir is just around the corner.

They come despite the clubs’ fixed places in the upper reaches of the Deloitte Football Money League. The latest edition actually dropped on 23 January, just after United had lost 3-1 to Brighton and Spurs had fallen 3-2 to Everton. Both were left entrenched in the bottom half of the table, and yet there they were in the top 10 of a list executives pore over. The latest figures show United had a revenue of around £640m for 2023-24, in fourth, and Spurs £513m, in ninth.

All that in a football world in which there is a 90 per cent correlation between wage bill and league position – it shouldn’t really be possible for them to be this bad. United and Spurs have become the anomalous 10 per cent, in terms of performance, as much as they are football’s 1 per cent in terms of wealth.

The evidence of the modern game is that such riches afford clubs safety nets, levels under which they cannot go. Only four years ago, both considered themselves so far above most of the game that they had designs on a Super League. Football comes at you fast. They’ve now fallen so fast they’ve burst through those safety nets.

This obviously isn’t just down to the figures or financial facts, either. Just look at the football. Even Spurs’ best XI, when it is used, is some way off the vibrancy of Mauricio Pochettino’s. Manchester United’s teamsheet, meanwhile, reminds you of Liverpool in the 2010-11 season, before their January acquisition of Luis Suarez. There are so few players capable of intimidating opposition teams – maybe just Bruno Fernandes and Amad Diallo at the moment – and so many who look like they just shouldn’t be at such a club.

It adds an element of sarcasm to this week’s “Super Sunday” at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, a different sense of spectacle. This is the meeting of possibly the two most underperforming teams in Europe. Who knows what’s in store. On recent form, it’s unlikely to be high quality.

The strange part is that as caustic as these comments read, none of it is to blame players or coaches that much.

It may almost seem some kind of dark magic for both teams to be this bad, but there are plenty of logical reasons for it. The two clubs are facing perfect storms, in different ways.

With Spurs, Ange Postecoglou was right to say last weekend that any “objective analysis” has to start with the injuries. They've been too much to handle. The wider issue is how those absences have exposed macro and micro problems. Spurs are suffering from a long-term lack of elite investment in the squad. Their wages-to-turnover ratio is among the “healthiest” in football at 42 per cent, but that isn’t necessarily all that beneficial to the team, or, as a consequence, the business. The 2023-24 Deloitte figures show that Spurs paid over £100m less in wages than their erstwhile “big six” counterparts, and more than £30m less than Aston Villa. Little wonder more players fancy Unai Emery’s side.

Put bluntly, Champions League qualification would be a drastic overachievement. Spurs didn’t maximise their appearance in the 2019 final.

Manchester City £401m

Liverpool £378m

Manchester United £362m

Chelsea £330m

Arsenal £320m

Aston Villa £250m

Tottenham £217m

Newcastle £213m

West Ham £158m

*Euros converted to pounds

This lower spending has a greater cost when you miss your most valuable players, like Micky van de Ven. The more concerning question is whether Postecoglou’s approach has been a contributing factor in the injury crisis, rather than just a victim of it. Some around the club have already wondered about close-season changes to the medical staff. There is then the debate about Postecoglou’s tactics, and whether they are sophisticated enough for this level.

Such arguments have led to bristling about a perceived dismissiveness about his coaching background or that he had his best results in Scotland. It’s nothing to do with any of that. The Premier League is the strongest league in the world and football – for all its faults – is meritocratic. You prove yourself at the next level up or you drop down. The jury is still out on Postecoglou, especially given the unexpected proportion of losses. How he responds will be instructive.

Ruben Amorim is facing the same scrutiny, albeit at a far bigger club. United have gone past a tipping point, as years of excessive spending with minimal direction came to a limit. The wage bill stopped guaranteeing a certain level of quality. How could it when the club made decisions like boosting Antony’s £25,000-a-week wage at Ajax to a reported figure of at least £140,000? That’s how you become the anomalous 10 per cent. That’s how you end up with a woefully mismatched squad, and the club really needing to build from scratch.

The expenditure of the Erik ten Hag era, in particular, didn’t just set that squad back, it also set the club back, in terms of its inability to spend now.

Amorim can be criticised for individual decisions, but it’s hard for them to have too much meaning when Ineos have decided everything needs to be changed.

Perhaps the real moral of a match like this is what happens when clubs are primarily treated as businesses, even in a world as finance-dictated as football.

It is telling that, in contrast to most “big six” rivals, or even Brighton, neither club has implemented any guiding football ideology. There is no outlook that everything reverts back to, as illustrated by abrupt shifts in manager profiles. Too many major football decisions have been made by non-football people, who are better suited to business decisions.

All that makes it more incongruous that both clubs now have ideologues as coaches. Little wonder there’s a disconnect. Neither club has been structured to absolutely optimise sporting performance, at least not compared to rivals.

Many Spurs fans will of course be crying out for direct criticism of Daniel Levy, and United fans of the Glazers.

That is implicit in the above. And yet the structures are where there is also “opportunity”, as Sir Dave Brailsford constantly puts it. Tipping points do sometimes lead to moments of realisation.

The problems at both clubs are relatively obvious, even if the solutions are less so. Some executives from big-six rivals are defensive of Levy, and insist the project is “only halfway”. They’d point to stadium repayments, as Arsene Wenger did at Arsenal, and insist the “execution” on the football side just has to match the financial side.

The view on United, meanwhile, remains the same: they’re so big they will eventually self-correct, no matter how it happens.

It is certainly hard to see how it can get any worse. Then again, that’s been said a few times this season. Now we have Sunday.

Tottenham set for huge injury boost as five first-team stars could return for Man Utd clash

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Tottenham are set to be boosted by the return of several key figures for Sunday's visit of Manchester United.

Spurs were without 11 players for last weekend's FA Cup exit at Aston Villa, but boss Ange Postecoglou has worked with Guglielmo Vicario, Destiny Udogie, James Maddison, Wilson Odobert and Brennan Johnson in training this week.

Italy international Vicario has not featured since he fractured his ankle in the 4-0 win at Manchester City on November 23 and Postecoglou has used three different goalkeepers during the ensuing three-month period.

"It's been a good week, fair to say, in terms of the health and well-being of the group of young men I look after," Postecoglou smiled.

"The guys who have been playing have benefited from a couple of days off.

"On the injury front, good to have some significant players back for training purposes to start with because it raises the quality and level of our training, but in terms of helping us Vicario, yes trained really well and good to go.

"Madders is good to go. Then we've had Destiny, Wilson and Brennan training with the group and they're in a good space as well, so it's been a good training week."

Tottenham and Man Utd are abject failures - and the blame is obvious

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Towards the end of the transfer window, as poor results led to an increasing sense of panic around Tottenham Hotspur, the club pushed for some unexpected deals. Some were so unexpected that the targets abruptly expressed no interest in going there. More than one player preferred a move to Aston Villa instead.

Manchester United aren’t at that point but they have found their sway isn’t what it was. Many under-23s, which is the age profile the club are now prioritising, have grown up with the club looking like a basketcase rather than frequent champions. One target's disinterest was described as “a low”.

That’s been the thing with this season for both clubs. As bad as it has got, it is like another nadir is always around the corner.

They come despite the clubs’ fixed places in the upper reaches of the Deloitte Football Money League. The latest edition actually dropped on 23 January, just after United had lost 3-1 to Brighton and Spurs fell 3-2 to Everton. Both were left entrenched in the bottom half of the table, and yet there they were in the top 10 of a list executives pore over. The latest figures show United had a revenue of around £640m for 2023-24, in fourth, and Spurs £513m, in ninth.

All of that is in a football world where there is a 90 percent correlation between wage bill and league position, so it shouldn’t really be possible to be this bad. United and Spurs have become the anomalous 10 percent, in terms of performance, as much as football’s 1 percent in terms of wealth. The evidence of the modern game is that such riches afford clubs safety nets, levels which they can’t go under. Only four years ago, both considered themselves so far above most of the game that they had designs on a Super League. Football comes at you fast. They’ve now fallen so fast they’ve burst through those safety nets.

This obviously isn’t just down to the figures or financial facts, either. Just look at the football. Even Spurs’ best XI, when it actually gets to be used, is some way off the vibrancy of Mauricio Pochettino’s. Manchester United’s teamsheet meanwhile reminds you of Liverpool in the 2010-11 season, say, and that before Luis Suarez. There are so few players who would intimidate opposition teams - maybe just Bruno Fernandes and Amad Diallo at the moment - and so many who look like they just shouldn’t be at such a club.

It adds an element of sarcasm to this week’s “Super Sunday” at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, a different sense of spectacle. This is maybe the meeting of the two most underperforming teams in Europe. Who knows what’s in store. On recent form, it’s unlikely to be high quality.

The strange part is that as caustic as these comments read none of it is to blame players or coaches that much.

It may almost seem some kind of dark magic for both teams to be this bad, but there are plenty of logical reasons. The two clubs are facing perfect storms, in different ways.

With Spurs, Ange Postecoglou was right to say last weekend that any “objective analysis” has to start with the injuries. They've been too much to handle. The wider issue is how those absences have exposed macro and micro problems. Spurs are suffering from a long-term lack of elite investment in the squad. Their wages-to-turnover ratio is among the “healthiest” in football at 42 percent, but that isn’t necessarily all that beneficial to the team - or, as a consequence, the business. The 2023-24 Deloitte figures show that Spurs paid over £100m less in wages than their erstwhile “big six” partners, and more than £30m less than Aston Villa. Little wonder more players fancy Unai Emery’s side.

Put bluntly, Champions League qualification would be a drastic overachievement. Spurs didn’t maximise their own appearance in the 2019 final.

Manchester City £401m

Liverpool £378m

United £362m

Chelsea £330m

Arsenal £320m

Villa £250m

Tottenham £217m

Newcastle £213m

West Ham £158m

*Euros converted to pounds

This lower spending has a greater cost when you miss your most valuable players, like Micky van de Ven. The more concerning question is whether Postecoglou’s approach has been a factor in the injury crisis, rather than just a victim of it. Some around the club have already wondered about close-season changes to the medical staff. There is then the debate about Postecoglou’s tactics, and whether they are sophisticated enough for the level.

Such arguments have led to bristling about a perceived dismissiveness about his coaching background or that he had his best results in Scotland. It’s nothing to do with any of that. The Premier League is the strongest league in the world and football - for all its faults - is meritocratic. You prove yourself at the next level up or you drop down. The jury is still out on Postecoglou, especially given the unexpected proportion of losses. How he responds will be instructive.

Ruben Amorim is now facing the same scrutiny, albeit at a club of far greater scale. United have gone past a tipping point, as years of excessive spending with minimal direction came to a limit. The wage bill stopped guaranteeing a certain level of quality. How could it when the club made decisions like boosting Antony’s £25,000-a-week wage at Ajax to a reported figure of at least £140,000? That’s how you become the anomalous 10 percent. That’s how you end up with a woefully mismatched squad, and the club really needing to build from scratch.

The expenditure of the Erik ten Hag era, in particular, didn’t just set that squad but also set the club back in terms of inability to spend now.

Amorim can be criticised for individual decisions, but it’s hard for them to have too much meaning when Ineos have decided everything needs to be changed.

Perhaps the real moral of a match like this is what happens when clubs are primarily treated as businesses, even in a world as finance-dictated as football.

It is telling that, in contrast to most “big six” rivals or even Brighton, neither club has implemented any guiding football ideology. There is no outlook that everything reverts back to, as illustrated by abrupt shifts in manager profiles. Too many major football decisions have ultimately come down to non-football figures, who are better suited to business decisions.

All of that makes it more incongruous that both clubs now have ideologues as coaches. Little wonder there’s a disconnect. Neither club has been structured to absolutely optimise sporting performance, at least not compared to rivals.

Many Spurs fans will of course be crying out for direct criticism of Daniel Levy, United of the Glazers.

That is implicit in the above. And yet the structures are where there is also “opportunity”, as Sir Dave Brailsford constantly puts it. Tipping points do sometimes lead to moments of realisation.

The problems at both clubs are relatively obvious, even if the solutions are less so. Some executives from big-six rivals are defensive of Levy, and insist the project is “only halfway”. They’d point to stadium repayments, like Arsene Wenger did at Arsenal, and insist the “execution” on the football side just has to match the financial side.

The view on United meanwhile remains the same: they’re so big they will eventually self-correct, no matter how it happens.

It is certainly hard to see how it can get any worse. Then again, that’s been said a few times this season. Now we have Sunday.

Why a new Manchester United stadium would be bad for fans

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When Jim Ratcliffe arrives at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium on Sunday, he will get another tantalising view of the expanded concourse known as the Market Place. It helps Spurs take in around £1m per home game on food and drink alone. To some in the game, this is more impressive than the single-tiered South Stand.

It is also why, for all the talk of a “Wembley of the North”, what Manchester United owner Ratcliffe really wants is a “Tottenham Hotspur Stadium of the North”. That doesn’t sound as catchy, admittedly, but it has worked its way into the minds of many executives. Newcastle United have talked behind the scenes about how their reimagined St James’ Park would be comparable to Spurs’ project. And Chelsea have cast envious glances from across the capital.

Such is the admiration the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, the Premier League could well end up with equivalents all over the country; an update on the Emirates type that proliferated from the mid-2000s.

Many Spurs fans might lament the fact their actual football doesn’t garner the same respect. The two are of course linked, even if it doesn’t feel like it right now.

In the modern world of PSR, where broadcast income is centrally negotiated and commercial deals are viewed as “maxed out”, the big lever a club can pull is venue income. This may well end up being the main area for growth, and create a new land grab, so to speak.

It also shows how football has turned full circle on the importance of stadiums. Just over two decades ago, Arsenal were excitedly preparing to move into their stadium of the future, only to find that idea was out of time. The club had focused on matchday income through the Emirates, at the exact point when Roman Abramovich’s takeover of Chelsea changed the sport’s financial parameters. Broadcasting income also boomed, with an economic shift hastened by wifi making clubs’ commercial horizons limitless and state ownerships capitalising on that power. There was even a time when senior executives believed ticket prices could become irrelevant. That almost seems a cruel joke now.

The regulatory response to all of this has changed the picture. The stadium has become an area of “growth”. Arsenal are themselves looking at expanding the Emirates.

One of Tottenham’s great successes has actually been to overshadow their neighbour’s house as north London’s premier venue, but its own views are wider. It is widely considered the best stadium in Europe, and has made the club one of the wealthiest in football.

That has been achieved through all of the elements that would be gushed about in promotional material. There’s the “dwell time”, from offering an area that means fans stay on the premises for much longer than just the game. Spurs’s £1m matchday take on food and drink is still seen as 10 years behind America, where digital wallets exclusively for stadium use have become big business, and 30 per cent of funds don’t even get used. That’s what’s to come. There’s also the many events outside of the football calendar, from concerts, boxing and rugby matches, to how the stadium has been officially declared the “home of the NFL in the UK”. There were obvious quips when news of a Beyoncé show leaked on transfer deadline day.

This is the future that Ratcliffe and his contemporaries covet: the world-class “multi-use stadium”.

There’s finally the crucial element that is spoken about with much less boisterousness: hugely expensive tickets. Spurs sell the second most expensive of the cheapest season tickets in the Premier League, at £856 – only behind Arsenal (£1,073). This comes as fan groups have launched campaigns about changes to concession policies, amid the general suspicion that most clubs ultimately want to take the American approach of more one-off tickets at higher prices. While Premier League chief executive Richard Masters disputed this on the eve of the season, the idea hardly goes against the direction of travel. Chelsea have even taken some of these concepts to extremes, with prices of up to £12,500 for exclusively-placed seats at choice matches.

United are ultimately going to have to find £2bn from somewhere to fund their stadium plans, potentially through borrowing. Spurs themselves have spoken about how increased match receipts are “a critical revenue stream for the security of the stadium debt”. Through that swirl, and so much money, it’s hard not to wonder whether something else is lost.

One of the reasons that football makes so much money is because of the atmosphere generated in stadiums, as well as the sense of cultural authenticity. And yet it is the very pursuit of that authenticity by non-traditional fans that helps kill it.

This yearning for authenticity complicates the question of whether to simply refurbish a ground or build anew. The experience of a stadium is enriched by the knowledge that this was where Kenny Dalglish or Denis Law played; where history happened. “That pitch has seen our greats, and the fans walk the same streets,” says Barney Chilton, of United fanzine Red News.

This isn’t to argue for ancient standards and stadiums, but it is more about balance. It feeds into the frustration that a life-long Spurs fan like Daniel Gardiner has felt in recent years, despite his admiration for the new ground.

"It’s frustrating to see ticket prices soar, pushing loyal fans out in favour of those who can afford a day out,” Gardiner says. “It's a bitter pill to swallow, watching our rich history being replaced with a shiny facade that doesn’t quite capture the spirit of what it means to be a true Tottenham supporter.”

Match-going United fan Anthony Shaw experienced a similar feeling from his last trip to Spurs for the Carabao Cup.

“Grounds built prior to the Nineties have a unique feeling and identity that doesn’t exist in modern stadiums. You obviously lose things such as character, traditions and history. Anfield in January had that old feeling.”

One insider does counter that none of this feels sterile if a team is winning on the pitch; that you only had to listen to the Spurs’ stadium singing “Angels” last season. Shaw believes there is still something else going on.

“I think my biggest concern is how a ‘need’ is being manipulated by owners. The aim is not to improve the matchday experience or atmosphere, it is purely about maximising revenues. Why do they sell ‘packages’ in what you’d think would be the most atmospheric areas?

“I believe there’s a naivety and misunderstanding of what the fundamental attraction of the English game is, one not seen since the same people thought the Super League would be welcomed. They may have changed strategy to a slower change, but it will still ruin the spectacle.”

Chilton ponders what fans actually want from a stadium.

“As I’ve looked around Old Trafford, I’ve wondered: ‘Who would get rid of this?’ So, yes, I look forward to ‘reverse’ beer serving and airport-style entry on Sunday, but it makes me fonder still for what we have, knowing it won’t be for long.

“New stadiums will of course provide new futures, but they aren’t building them for the likes of you or me…”

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